I was just seeking to better understand the relationship between glaciers and river flows, primarily because that is likely going to be the way that Albertans experience global warming in a way that might change a significant number of minds. The glaciers of the temperate and low latitude mountain ranges in the Rockies, the Andes, Alps, Pyrenees, Caucasus, Scandinavia, the African Rift, Indonesia and the Southern Alps are disappearing fast and will be mostly gone by 2100, no matter what we do with future emissions. Because they were found so close to the summit, they are unlikely to have been moved by ice while burried, and were almost certainly deposited within meters of the locations in which they were found. Ashton, if you read the comments (4,5,6,8) you will see that there are other weather stations closer by and others in the region with longer and more complete records than the Jasper station referred to by Jrexx. The historic Athabasca Hotel offers the charm and ambiance of days of old, complimented with award winning service and contemporary conveniences and sought by the discerning travelers of today. It flows northeast through the steep mountainous region of Jasper National Parkand past the foothills region where it is joined by the Berland and McLeod Rivers, before entering a boreal forest region. Hopefully the moderators will accept one more temperature discussion. In addition to countless first responders and EMS crews, three STARS helicopters from Calgary, Edmonton, and Grande Prairie responded to this multiple casualty incident. NASA monthly data for Banff here. Since the 1980s, climate change has resulted in a 1 degree C increase in temperatures at the alpine treeline since the 1980s, with a projected further rise of the treeline by 200 meters as the result (Gehrig-Fasel et al, 2007) . This is particularly true for mountain glaciers in tropical and temperate latitudes. Of course, the Athabasca Glacier is not unique. The forests are also  damaged by the drought in summer. • It has icefall movement of 125m / year (400ft) • It has turn around movement of 25m/year (80 ft) I'm really disappointed that those "tours" are still continuing and are not banned yet, which is a symbolic mirror image of the emissions continuing unconstrained. If not my apologies. The existence of the PPWB does indicate that river flows are taken seriously in this part of the world, though. There are two ways to see the glacier. Login via the left margin or if you're new, register here. Situated across from the Icefield Centre, its ice is in continuous motion, creeping forward at the rate of several centimeters per day. Riding inside a vehicle, however, is not the only safe and informative way for tourists to experience the Athabasca Glacier. Then I took binoculars and found not only it (some 3 km away) but a second vehicle coming back. Transalpine routes connecting northern Italy with the northern Alps during these slots is consistent with late Holocene maximum glacier retreat. Perhaps if you listened to experts, who have thought through the issues, you would have different ideas than when you listen to deniers who do not think of the consequences of their actions. Too often in these discussions we hear uncritical arguments made without considering the consequences of what is being suggested. The 23-metre Athabasca Falls is not very high by Canadian Rockies standards, but the size of the river makes it one of the most powerful falls to be found in the mountain national parks. You are positioned at the Toe of the Athabasca glacier. Our guide, Emelie, was superb. The glaciers in the background on the right are the Aneto and Maladeta glaciers, the largest in the Pyrenees, likely to disappear altogether by mid-century. This is not a contradiction. yr BP until AD 2003, implying that the ice cover was smaller in 2003 than at any time during the last 5000 years. The tongue of the Athabasca Glacier runs from the Columbia Icefield to within walking distance of the road opposite the Icefield Centre. 2020 on course to be warmest year on record, Skeptical Science New Research for Week #45, 2020, Solar is now ‘cheapest electricity in history’, confirms IEA, On climate clock, it's parts per million, not minutes, that matter most, 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming Digest #45, 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #45, COVID-19 put U.S. back on track with reneged Paris targets, Skeptical Science New Research for Week #44, 2020, CSLDF: Model Language for Scientific Integrity Policies, How you can help to keep Climate misinformation on Twitter in check, Most glaciers are rapidly disappearing all over the world, likely to disappear altogether by mid-century, http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=mount+athabasca+temperature, most of the world's glaciers are diminishing. The glaciers we marvel at will soon be gone and they won't be coming back on any imaginable human timescale. Further, soon anthropogenic warming will take alpine temperatures above even those early holocene peaks - indeed much above them. Ask driftdiver1 about Athabasca Glacier. It's a damned shame. Carlos Delgado (CC BY-SA 3.0) The glacier is located within Canada's Jasper National Park. For RCP 2.6 (the low-emissions pathway), glaciers will contribute 125mm (63-181) to sea-level rise (SLR); for RCP 8.5 (the high-emissions pathway), 185mm (95-255). PDF, Marzeion, Ben, J. Graham Cogley, Kristin Richter and David Parkes "Attribution of global glacier mass loss to anthropogenic and natural causes" Science 1254702 (2014) [DOI:10.1126/science.1254702] Abstract (paywalled), The good news is that the Athabasca glacier's receeding behavior has nothing to do with local warming, as evidenced by the temperature record one can see at http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=mount+athabasca+temperature. The Athabasca Glacier is one of the six principal 'toes' of the Columbia Icefield, located in the Canadian Rockies. According to Chapter 13 of  the latest IPCC report (big PDF) melting glaciers will make up about a quarter of the increased volume of the rising oceans over the rest of this century and about half of the increase in ocean mass. 4)  Some organic artifacts found in the pass are very ancient. Because of changing circumstances, we will deliver that amount to your home beginning on January 1st and ending on March 31st. Ashton, if you have issues with homogenisation, then please provide specific examples of your concern so others can evaluate what you are claiming. 9); and two arrowheads. Saskatchewan River Crossing is a Parks Canada site, only recording since 1976, and historical data is hard to find on-line (i.e., I couldn't in easily-digestible form...) The metadata I could find suggests it's not a high quality observation station. ), are recorded for the periods 7090–6570, 6040–5850, 5720–5620, 5500–4370 b.c., approx. yr BP), Roman Age (1st-3rd century AD), and Medieval times (8-9th century AD and 14-15th century AD). We opted to go free. Meanwhile, scientific papers had this to say: "During the hot summer of 2003, reduction of an ice field in the Swiss Alps (Schnidejoch) uncovered spectacular archaeological hunting gear, fur, leather and woollen clothing and tools from four distinct windows of time: Neolithic Age (4900 to 4450 cal. That therefore precludes glacial retreats in the past 5000 years greater than the current equilibrium state of Alpine glaciers (although greater than the current retreat due to slow response times). We argue that this difference is explained by the dissimilar response lags of the two types of archives compared: ice mass balance near the LA (Schnidejoch) responds immediately to sub-decadal climate variations, while Alpine glacier tongues respond with a multi-decadal lag to climatology (20–60 years (Jo¨rin et al., 2006); importantly this fact also applies to the study by Hormes et al. A lunch break on a hike in the Spanish Pyrenees (in 2002). Athabasca Glacier, a snowflake requires 150–200 years to go from fluttering out of the sky onto the icefield to melting out at the front of the glacier, 6.2 km away and 820 m lower in elevation. In short, the discrepancy is explained because (1) the two results use different reference years and there as been a large change in atmospheric forcing and temperature between those two years, and (2) glaciers respond slowly to changing conditions so that the current glacial extents (let alone those of 1985) are not in equilibrium and will retreat quite a bit further before they are. 2 contributions. Putting aside, for now, the consequences for human and ecological welfare as the glaciers retreat and no longer provide steady water supplies through the summer, the imminent loss of the glaciers in the world's temperate and tropical mountains is a terrible blow to those of us who treasure the mountains for their cultural, recreational and aesthetic value. In Jasper National Park visitors have the rare opportunity to hike on the surface of a glacier, the Athabasca Glacier. We were also told some cool facts such as; Once, the Athabasca Glacier flowed as far north as the town of Jasper; The Columbian icefields feed three oceans in the northern hemisphere; the Arctic, Pacific, and Atlantic which makes it unique; The Athabasca Glacier is as thick as the Eiffel tower is high…. Based on numbers kindly provided by Ben Marzeion. 1 Thank driftdiver1 . Environment Canada is not in the habit of trying to maintain stations at high altitudes in the mountains. Cutting through the denier dross, the key facts are: 1)  Artifacts have been found in the pass, mostly of organic material (bark, wood, plant fibres, leather); 2)  The artifacts are found when the current ice which holds them melts, thus revealing them; 3)  Once uncovered by the ice, organic artifacts decompose rapidly. I did find a weather station record on the BEST site at Sunwapta, about 30 km N of the Athabasca Glacier and 150 metres lower in elevation. (free to republish). Therefore floods and droughts should become more common. We look forward to welcoming you back to the Athabasca Glacier in spring 2021. Thanks for the interesting link. But relying on that is like basing your retirement income on capital withdrawals rather than interest. You need to be logged in to post a comment. Leclercq, P. W., J. Oerlemans, and J. G. Cogley. The point it makes about the boost to flows from glacial melt masking the coming problems is important. Enter a term in the search box to find its definition. It provides classic examples of glacial mechanisms and fluctuations. Good catch! This applies to any follow-ups. Spirit Island is one of the most photographed locations in the world and is located on Maligne Lake in Jasper. This glacier, fed by the Columbia Icefield, has been shrinking (or “retreating”) since the mid-1800s. There is even an intergovernmental board to deal with it: the Prairie Provinces Water Board (PPWB). The age cohorts of the artefacts are separated which is indicative of glacier advances when the route was difficult and not used for transit. Hafner itemizes the most ancient artifacts: "The oldest objects from the Schnidejoch include a fragment of a bowl made of elm wood (Fig. See the celebrated Columbia Icefield of Canadian Rockies, nestled amongst the towering mountain peaks. 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For the off-topic temperature information, there is another weather station nearby, at Saskatchewan River Crossing. There are gold and uranium deposits nearby. (2011) Athabasca Glacier and Columbia Icefield GeoVistas Brochure,published by the Canadian Federation of Earth Sciences. What in fact happened to the theory (to answer MA Rodger's question) was Schnedejoch, and more particularly the discussion of the Schnidejoch finds by Grosjean et al (2007). What great conditions for agriculture!! Despite how much mass Athabasca Glacier has lost in the past couple centuries, it’s still pretty huge. THE ESCALATOR 7); a bow string made of an unidentified material, probably of animal origin; a bow case made of birch bark (Fig. PDF, Marzeion, Ben, A. H. Jarosch, and Marlis Hofer. Timber fragments lying exposed on the surface of the scree would probably have survived considerably longer, perhaps for 50 to 100 years.". As the world sorts itself out, and new norms are established, here’s what we are planning for the summer of 2020 in order to maintain this safety record during such unprecedented times. ), suggests that summer temperatures as observed in the late 20th century were at the normal or the lower limit of the temperature range which can be assumed for long periods of the early and middle Holocene epoch.". The Arctic glacier ice is more resilient (and voluminous), but even so, more than half of it will melt by 2300. The dendrochronological record from the Kauner valley, showing high and very high tree-line positions between approx. The object of the pea and thimble trick is to make evidence of the unusual warmth of the early 21st century look like evidence that it was not unusually warm at all. What is causing the increase in atmospheric CO2? The 23-metre Athabasca Falls is not very high by Canadian Rockies standards, but the size of the river makes it one of the most powerful falls to be found in the mountain national parks. Five pieces of leather and wood dating from around 800 to 1000 years later can be attributed to the second Neolithic time slot from 3700 to 2900 BC.The third Neolithic time slot, between 2900 and 2200 BC, yielded particularly numerous and spectacular finds. I was referring to the recent, peer reviewed, paper by Jennifer Marohasy which has been discussed in the Australian. Through the rest of the 21st Century, the human contribution to the melting of glaciers is expected to increase even more. Gas-powered cars: Beginning of the end in California? Glacier retreat and advance is a complex response to variations in seasonal temperatures and precipitation. One thing that you have to be careful about is that the weather in the high mountains is different than in the plains and the mountain valleys. There is a good article at Yale 360 on this. Thorny and I were the oldest in the group of 12, but no problem with that! Indeed while the ice field at Schnidejoch is in equilibrium with the state of the atmosphere of the most recent years, the glacier tongues have not yet fully responded to the excessively warm years of the last 15 years, when (1) solar radiation at the Earth’s surface has increased owing to brightening of the atmosphere (globally 6.6 W m-2 10 yr-1 between 1992 and 2002, Swiss Plateau 7.2 W m-2 10 yr-1; Wild et al., 2005), (2) anthropogenic greenhouse forcing with related strong water vapour feedback enhanced the downward longwave radiation in Europe (+1.18 W m-2 yr-1, data 1995–2002; Philipona et al., 2005) which increased temperatures, and (3) negative trends in the specific mass balance of Alpine glaciers accelerated (Zemp, 2006).". Participants should have the rare opportunity to hike on the surface are away. 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